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Discussion in 'VY Holden Commodore (2002 - 2004)' started by CraigAB, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. CraigAB

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    Hi,

    When the car is at 80km, it surges when it shifts up a gear, quite a hard surge actually.
    Reading around the forum, I would guess that I have stuffed the clutch in the auto.
    It would be completely my fault for not doing transmission services frequently enough.

    So does anyone know how much it would be, approximately, to get it repaired? Or should I just find another at a wreckers??

    Regards,
    Craig
     
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    Could it be a bad solenoid. Instead of wasting money on a transmission get it checked, when was the filter and fluid last replaced, changing the pressure plates are not hard to do. Sounds like its your torque converter locking up maybe fluid related due to blocked filter or burnt clutch.
     
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    I changed the fluid and filter yesterday. But to be honest I don't remember when I last changed the transmission fluid. It was not a good sight in the pan. Metal flecks and sludge in the bottom of the pan.
    Yep, I really screwed up.
    I am guessing that I burnt the clutch, I looked at some videos on YouTube for the 4L60E transmission and yea, that is more of a specialist job.

    Cheers.
     
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    Little bits be normal that's why they have a magnet, sludge no good, lack of fluid flow for those little valves. See how it goes, might be worth giving it another fluid dump if its better.
     
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    True, I don't know what is "normal". It was quite a while since I changed the fluid, so a build up could be normal, but not as noticeable if the fluid is changed at correct intervals.
    It has had an easy life, apart my bad servicing, never towed anything, never flogged it.
    I have enough fluid to do another change.
    However I was under the impression that because of the metal particles means that the clutch is stuffed and the metal particles are the only thing making the clutch grip. Not sure if that is true or not, just what I have read.
    Happy to be wrong.
    I just don't want to be driving and all of a sudden the transmission craps itself and it's like being in neutral.
    Just to let people know, the wreckers wants $350 for a "change-over" transmission and $430 to pull the old one out / service the one from the wreckers and install it.
     
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    Very cool vids. And quite interesting.......of course, way out of my league. Reminds me of disassembling laptops.
    It just reinforces the idea that I have stuffed the transmission.
     
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    Get it checked for fault codes before you decide to purchase another transmission.
     
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    What pressure plates are you talking about.
     
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    • 9 057734-158 .062" / 1.58mm Friction Plates
    • 8 057725A .060" / 1.52mm Top Backing Plates
    • 2 057725 .076" / 1.93mm Steel Plates
    • 1 057713 Top Pressure Plate
    • 1 057254-062 .062" / 1.58mm Snap Ring
     
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    Why change them you don't no if that's the problem yet, it could be a worn out TCC valve.
     
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    Could be a Shift Solenoid too, I'm only going off the shards of metal in the pan.
     
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    Thanks guys, I really appreciate your ideas.

    I found my Lenovo tablet that had the Envyous diagnostic software on it, but Windows wants an update :rolleyes:, so I am fixing that at the moment. Once I have that sorted I'll check the codes. God knows why I didn't do that in the first place. :rolleyes:

    Ryco Filter ordeal.

    On a side note, I was watching a video on the 4L60E and the fellow was going over the different types etc. I realised I put the wrong bloody filter in the transmission!!! F@#$!!!!!

    So the cliff notes for a backyard'er like me:
    VY - stepped aka "Deep pan" = Ryco RTK4 (ALL PLASTIC)
    4L60E Manufacturer = 1996 -1999
    Used on commodores ( VR, VS, VT, VX, VY, VZ, VE) 1993–2012

    Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_4L60-E_transmission
    Video Source at the time index of pan differences.
    Ryco: RTK4 Filter

    Why??
    Well from my layman point of view, it *appears* that the RTK4 filter can contain more fluid and is 10 mm thicker, at 30 mm, than the RTK2, being for shallow pans at 20 mm thick (4L60E 1993 - 1997).
    The feeder neck and top of neck to bottom of filter is the same, so it won't fall out.:)
    I'm going to do a side by side comparison tomorrow at Supercheap.

    Maybe another expert here can shed some light on it.?? I would really appreciate that explanation.

    Yet, if I go to the Ryco page it tells me RTK2 (Half metal, half Plastic)
    caveat emptor!

    So it's not a matter of falling out, but a problem of insufficient fluid volume?

    Looks like I'm going to do another fluid change anyway as I put the wrong bloody filter in. So I'll see what the fluid looks like.:mad:

    I hope the above information can be of use to other people.
     
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    Unless someone swapped out the original tranny then all you need is your make, year, model, Engine size, Auto or Manual in search my car on repo or any other site and it will give you the correct one.

     
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    I thought I was doing the right thing by searching on the Ryco website.
    But if you put in Holden Commodore 2003 - It returns the RTK2 filter.

    Even Holden Berlina 2003 does not bring back any Transmission filter type.
    Do you have a better site to use?
     
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    I just use supercheap or Autobarn or Repco they all have a vehicle type, you just put your car rego in and shop your car.
     
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    Yea, just checked them out SuperCheap and Autobarn do the same thing and list the RTK2 and RTK4. And Repco Just lists some other brand.
    Only Supercheap mentions "Smooth pan 50mm" and "Stepped pan 100mm".
    So to make a correct choice you would need to understand why a thicker filter is required and know if you have a stepped or smooth pan, otherwise the rationale is "Both filters are listed as ok for the car, so I'll choose the cheaper one (RTK2)."
     
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    Deep pan use RTK4, shallow pan use RTK2.
    4l60e-shallow-vs-deep-pan-filter-bottom-of-pan.jpg
     

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