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Tailshaft replacement - one headache after another

Discussion in 'VT - VX Holden Commodore (1997 - 2002)' started by Thekayyceeful, Sep 10, 2015.

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    Thekayyceeful New Member

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    Ok so for a roady i have the replace the centre bearing on my VX v6 auto wagon.
    I was told that the auto tailshaft it just one piece and cant be seperated so ill have to replace the whole thing. - but i keep getting told i should just change the centre bearing and that its easy but everytime i try to find info on it its either only about manual or v8 or it doesnt specify weather its auto or manual, or v6 or v8
    So i went on a hunt for a tail shaft in my price range with most wreakers not having one that wasnt brand new and then the one i was going to buy had the same problem - centre bearing stuffed.
    The only other wreaker i would have to spend all day checking out tailshafts to see if its ok - to do that i would need my step dad to have a day off work -.-
    And then i finally got a tailshaft with what looks like a decent cente bearing and go to get it put in and im told that the one i brought is 4 bolt when my cars a 3 bolt - did i get lied to? The guy said it was vx wagon or do some vxs have 4 bolts?
    And its the last thing on my list to be done and i wanted it in next week and im just compleatly frustrated - im a student with not alot of money so i cant exactly affort a $400 tailshaft. >. <
     
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    This is one of my biggest ####ing pet hates, it spelled Wrecker. Now that that's out of the way.

    Have you got in touch with businesses that deal with tailshafts? Make a few phone calls and get the answer your looking for (don't just call one place and take their word for it).

    It sounds like it would have been easier to just let a shop get you a tailshaft and then install it, that way if it failed it should have warranty (always ask this before dealing with the shop).
     
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    immortality Home of the smoky breakfast Bacon! Staff Member

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    Your best bet it to stick you head under the car and confirm exactly which drive shaft you have.

    VT to VX was the change over to the new rubber doughnut drive shaft coupling I believe, and it's not uncommon to find older style parts on newer models. My missus VX series 2 has the earlier style rear diff mount bush even though every parts manual says it has the newer style!
     
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    Sticking my head under the car would be a great idea provided i actually knew what i was looking for... but unfortently im a 20 yo female who only knows what ive been told about cars - and ironically that means people will give the wrong infomation to make a few bucks off me -.- hence why i come here - seeing as you guys arent making money off this youll possible be a bit more honest.
    So if anyone can tell me outright in very simple terms how i can differ between tailshafts that would be great.
    Also going to a shop is a bit hard living an a rural area meaning i dont have specialist in my town other then maybe tire and brake, so a decent workshop could be a fare distance away - further then im willing to drive in an un registered car and on top of that them being one of the only places that do what im asking prices are a bit outrages.
     
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    No problem :)

    The newer 3 bolt type looks like this
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    And this goes between the tail shaft and the diff
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    The older style 4 bolt tailshaft looks like this
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    The 4 bolt flange bolts directly to the diff.

    This is a picture of em side by side
    [​IMG]
     
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    Centre bearing can be changed- the tailshaft CAN be separated and the centre bearing can be pressed off and a new bearing pressed into your existing tailshaft setup for only about 60 to 80 bucks from memory (that was the price of the bearing itself when I last enquired here in Tasmania.)

    So that's another low cost option to look at, rather than buy an entire tailshaft.
     
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    Looking into it :).
    But i think i might have a feild day at the wreaker with my step dad to try and find a good tailshaft because they quoted me 80 if i find one and take it out meself (by myself i mean stepdad)
    But called a few mechanics in surrounding town out of desperation, one of them want me to bring it in so they can look at it and another said im best of getting a good second hand tailshaft and putting it myself because the the centre bearing sometimes have to be sent off to fix and could end up costing 1000 - and im pretty sure he was telling me the truth (or his truth) because usally if they arent they will tell me that the only way and the cheapest option and im the only one who can do it.
    Thankyou guys for your help. Its just uber frustating rn.
     
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    yes.. can be done but it will need a re-balance after that. $60-80 depending on who is doing it.
     
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    Ive seen that video
     
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    you would be better of finding a diff tail shaft shop near by , has to be one there there some where, and get the bering replaced, getting a second had one down ,the trac same problem , I just get new then you know its all ok
     
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    you will not need to drive the car to a specialist. you are much better off getting your step dad or a mechanically minded friend to remove the tailshaft for you (or possibly even someone from the forum not too far down the road might be willing to lend a hand for a 6pack), then all you will need to do is...
    buy a new bearing -
    Holden Commodore Tailshaft Centre Bearing VX VY VZ V6 Sedan Premium Quality | eBay

    possibly get some new rubber couplings if they are on their way out -
    Holden Commodore VX VY VZ HSV V6 Ecotec Rubber Diff Trans Tailshaft Coupling | eBay

    then take/send it to a driveshaft specialist with all the new parts and let them do the lot-
    Yellow PagesĀ® | Driveshaft balancing in VIC 3825

    unfortunately being in Moe, you will have to travel to find someone with the proper equipment to balance it, or fork out a little to have it freighted

    without couplings (just centre bearing and balance) you should get away around $150, with couplings-closer to $250

    and yes, the link to that video is very agricultural...if he was going to bash it off like that, he should have clamped the other side of the uni (if that makes sense) to prevent it from being at its maximum angle and then putting all those extra blows of force into the uni-bearing...very good way to destroy it and knock it out of center.

    your other option is to go to a wreckers and try to find a tailshaft with a good looking centre bearing AND couplings and do a straight swap into your car and cross your fingers that its still balanced nicely and will last a while.
     
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    Was trying to show splitting the shaft and just replacing the bearing is actually doable. Which answers the first part of the question! Getting the right shaft is a right pain in the ass as I can attest to as I had my car off the road for a month while looking for a second hand one, this was over xmas so no chance to get my old one rebuilt, which was the answer in the end. Cost a fair bit but it will now take a punishing!
     
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    True.

    I'd take mine to work and use a hydraulic puller and hydraulic press :)

    I am considering getting a 20T press for home (they can be had for a reasonable price these days), some many bushes and other parts are a press fit and it's would be much more convenient than stripping parts out, having to go to work to fit new bushes and come all the way home again......
     
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    I have called around to 3 mechanics 2 wreckers in the surrounding area and plus the mechanic who done my roadworthy list and they have all said that it would be cheaper for me to get a second hand or reco tailshaft rather then replace the bearing - they said it could end up costing cheaper then a new one.
     
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    Costing cheaper to get a new one*
     
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    ive been to shops where they deny black and blue that the center bearing can be changed, i think a whole new shaft is around $1200 from the stealerships, and a recon shaft can be had online for around $600. trust me, i have just been down this path myself. i replaced my center bearing and got new couplings and had it balanced for what a posted above. they are more than likely telling u to get a new or recon one so they can order/source and fit it while making some money off u
     
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    They all said for me to buy it and put it in myself..
     

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