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Names Compulsory on the 2016 Census

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Turd Ferguson, Jul 29, 2016.

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  1. Gaiter

    Gaiter Active Member

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    I plan on doing it this weekend to avoid the surge. I see no harm as long as my answers reflect my situation for the night of the 9th, I don't plan on losing my job or having a kid in that time soooo I see no issue.
     
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    One way of screwing the data collection is providing garbage data; "GIGO" (Garbage In, Garbage Out).
     
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    The last census we had that was on paper I actually filled out, the questions that I found to be too intrusive I answered "I am not comfortable providing this information" I mean the question of how much I earn, in what way does that help with future planning. We will still need hospitals, new roads and what not regardless of how much a person earns.
    Anyway I never actually got around to sending it in and found it sitting in an old pile of paperwork probably 2-3 years ago and then I just shredded it.
    Also, the last census if I remember correctly you filled out anonymously, now with this current census you are given a login number which will correspond to your address and I have heard that you have to supply your name when completing it.
    Personally I am still undecided whether or not I will bother doing it, although I understand why the census is necessary in regards to the future planning for infrastructure.
    But are the personal questions actually necessary for future planning?
     
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    I do not know about you guys, but if you pay taxes they have all the info they need, so why bother? I bet that data is somewhere in the cloud... perhaps they are too lazy to sort it out.
     
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    I was actually thinking the same thing.
    After a quick look at the census website, maybe I won't bother until instructed in writing.....

    http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3...penDocument#Question 1: What is the authority

    Take note of question 2

    Question 2: Is the survey compulsory?

    Answer: All ABS surveys are conducted under the authority of the Census and Statistics Act 1905. Initially you are being requested to answer the questions, but if the Australian Statistician directs you in writing to provide the information, you are legally obliged to do so.
     
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    Yup, ATO knows:

    salary
    address
    age
    marital status
    dependents

    What else is there to know?
     
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    They aren't and the ABS is trying to make out that everything will be anonymised anyway - to which I say, what the hell why ask in the first place!?

    This is a direct quote.

    ABS responds to incorrect assertions in AFR story about Census

    That being the statement the obvious thing to say is - gtfo ABS, you are over-reaching.

    The only reason I can think of is simple, data points - different govt agencies combine their data.
     
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    And cop a $1800 fine.
     
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    I see... either way you guys are getting reamed one way or the other. Looking in the way the USA operates... Could be also a contract that someone is getting a good paycheck for managing a forced feed data base. At least in the USA is done behind your back, without the people knowledge, paid by the tax payers (NSA).
     
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    I got an idea... the gov can outsource it to F-Book, they have a compelling database on all your likes, dislikes, fears, who you interact with and call it a day.
     
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    How could I forget this. Very important information.

    And yes, Facebook. All this data is out there anyway...
     
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    One is voluntary and one isn't I'll let you figure that out.
     
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    So what you're saying is when someone volunteers their personal information to a company that claims ownership of all uploaded material and doesn't declare exactly how information is stored or shared, it's fine. But when the government that already has all your personal information in one form or another asks for your name it's a privacy concern? LMAO!!!!! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....

    :rofl:
     
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    And states that it won't be distributed publicly.
     
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    until they change their minds and start sharing it willy nilly.

    some people don't value privacy - some do.

    There's a reason the Australia Card got squashed - those concerns remain today whether you bring it about openly or through the back door, I for one am not keen for any back door action.
     
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    But the government already has WAY more info than they're asking for in the Census. What's the issue?
     
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    they don't have as much as you think, and none of it is in the one spot.
     
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    This is true. I do. But there is privacy and then there is helpless paranoia.

    Will the data that the census collects be hacked/breached and get out. 90% sure this will happen. It's too big of a collection for people to not try and get access. It happens ALL the time though, Twitter, Fbook, LinkedIn, Google/Youtube, Telecoms etc...

    You're personal data is every where in 2016. You use a mobile? Guess what, people can get your exact location, and a pattern of your regular places visited i.e. home, work, friends, family by simply gaining access to Google/Apple, which has happened numerous times, a few that have been reported on.

    I weigh up the risks and make an informed decision. Do I wish to take the risk of a fine over just providing information they already have?

    No. Ill fill in the stupid form and be done with it. If the data gets breached, my information will be 1 of 20 million + to be used by an unpaid individual, so chances still pretty good of avoiding repercussion. Especially vs going the other route of being someone who doesn't complete form and am now 1 of 2-3 million the government has to track down using PAID workers (ABS) to get an immediate financial reward of fining me.
     
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    I have three letter for you... A T O

    They have some of the most sophisticated systems in the country and hook into other government systems as well as banks, health insurance providers and employers. Their data centres are more secure than military bases. I actually can't tell if you're being deliberately naive or genuinely think they don't know a LOT about most people.
     
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