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Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by tml678, Jan 22, 2017.
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That’s an uncanny resemblance
I’ve had a new Commodore RS all week. I can say I actually like it. But can’t want to got back in my redline. I think the people that buy the new Commodore will love it. Nice car to drive. 4 cylinder is actually ok. Much better than I thought.
I think go for the AWD v6 or you may as well be in last years Mazda 6
Holden guys wake up and look at the other 4 cylinder front wheel drive cars that are already here and ask yourselves why should people buy a 4cyl FWD from Holden now, or wait for the updated Mazda 6
Holden had the turbo 2.0 litre first
For around $43000 drive away you can get the RS with AWD 300 horsepower V6, 9 speed auto and latest Euro styling.
Who else is offering those specs here with the latest AWD system in a full size 4 door sedan for that money?
Main questions are whether you like the styling (the grille is bland and detracts from the styling) , overall mechanical quality, medium to longer term reliability, the $ depreciation rate compared with competing products and whether you want a stop gap model that's going to be a short term offering. .
GM is selling these same cars in the US as Buick Regals but seems to have made it clear in Press Releases that since the PSA Group has now purchased most of GMs Europe operations(incl. Opel) they don't intend buying these cars from PSA beyond the 5 year contract.
PSA has also stated the anticipated lifespan of the Insignia is six years, with no intention of continuing to build Opel designs beyond then.
Unless PSA purchase the Holden name, which won't happen, that spells the end of the Holden brand by 2023 at the latest. I reckon sales will have diminished to the point where GM won't think it's worth keeping the name alive.
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I'd say mechanical quality/ reliability (perceived or real) and resale are definite negatives. It will be interesting to see how their sales go. Personally if you care about the mechanical quality/ reliability and resale, Mazda 6 would seem to be better ownership bet. The turbo four in the Holden should be a good point, even if Mazda may have have it soon in upper spec models only.
I seem to be missing something re brand extinction.
I don't see how the Holden brand will disappear. Won't they just replace this car with something else from the GM stable when the time comes ?
They'll just build the replacement vehicle somewhere else, if they decide to replace it at all. With the way SUV/CUV sales have been growing over the past decade, it's quite likely they won't replace the car at all, because it won't be worthwhile due to low volumes globally.
It will be interesting to see what volumes they have locked in for next year. Holden has an agreement with Opel to buy a certain number of vehicles otherwise they pay a 'fine'. This has been a disaster with the Astra, so time will tell with the Commodore
I think you’ve just described the current Liberty R36.
Now ... if you’d thrown “wagon” in it’d be difficult to find anything much else!
What's wrong with astra's? I never owned one but those i know of who have owned them they are actually not bad little cars. Certainly they seem to be a lot less problematic than commodores. Well at least the AH models seem to be pretty reliable on the most part.
Over recent years, GM has either offloaded some brands such as SAAB and Opel, or dropped them altogether, such as Pontiac.
To GM, Holden is just another division, and one that is not performing well. Holden once held over 50% of the Australian market. It is now down to 7% . Clearly, the one-time significance of the brand to our market no longer exists.
If the name Holden no longer means much to Australians and its market share doesn't improve significantly over the next four or five years, why would GM persist with it by the time the ZB is due for replacement?
IMHO i think the points made that the new commodore is basically a copy of what is already out there. I think when you have simlar cars designs that have proven themselves over the years as reliable over the long term it will be hard for holden to compete. I mean lets face it holdens on the most part have rarely been as reliable as a lot the Japanese made vehicle's.
The AH actually wasn’t too bad from a reliability point of view, and it was a decent handler.
Problem was the 1.8L engine was basically the same thing (with massively more reliable electrics) as the TS before it, which had a fair bit less mass to pull around.
But the model before was also a pretty popular car ‘cos it was probably the most fun car in the class; which means LOTS of people experienced the common electrical flaws, and hence the poor reliability reputation was spread far & wide.
PS. 1971 has been scientifically proven to be the best year in human history.
Yeah well that makes sense. It is hard to change a bad rep once you get one.
I think that is where Toyotas have an edge over holdens. Pretty rare that there main lines of vehicles have too much go wrong with them until they get right up on the mileage.
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