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Holden boss Dave Buttner steps down after the company posts its lowest sales since 1948

Discussion in 'News/Updates' started by Reaper, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. losh1971

    losh1971 Well-Known Member

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    spot on, the issue was the domestic market being way too small.
     
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    GM's issue is they are a volume company, the Commodore needed to pivot away from this but they stubbornly kept going down the same track. They should have turned GM-H into a premium brand, they were on the right track in some respects by making the VF a premium vehicle but too little too late and the outcome they expected was volume which didn't happen.

    then you have all the imported trash gumming up the works as well.

    GM are in a death spiral of their own making and it all starts and ends in Detroit.
     
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    While I agree, it is interesting that there is a Cadillac Australia Website albeit currently in limbo.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    Are they building RHD Cadillacs in China yet?
     
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    That is a confusement.
     
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    VS 5.0 Well-Known Member

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    0.21 here

     
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  8. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    Yep. I think he has left because of genuine (non GM reasons) and it doesn't appear he was pushed.

    Alpha platform supposedly supports RHD but GM haven't executed it. Re-manufacturing a completed LHD car into RHD is not a reliable yardstick as to what is involved if it was manufactured RHD in the assy plant. It does seem you are correct though - unless you are a LHD market then GM doesn't seem to be capable of selling into it.
     
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    Focusing on the Americas and China but not Europe, Africa and Australia is stupid business move because you're throwing away money.
    GM are going broke beacuse they don't care about all these other smaller markets where other companies are killing it.
     
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    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    Not really, it says site under construction which is means watch this space.
     
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    I understood that part. It is the "why" that is confusing me.
     
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    Wow... a lot of unnecessary argument here. Let's put things into perspective. Holden made money for GM right up until the early 80s...buckets of it. Then Holden had loads of financial problems at the time of the VC/VH. It took the VN for the company to turn around and become very profitable again under Peter Hanenberger (or "Handlingburger" as he was nicknamed for pushing for RTS when he brought to Australia).

    The bigwigs at GM in Detroit didn't give a toss about Australia as long as it made them money. It is no longer making them money, hence the current situation. The CEO and her minions DON'T CARE about the tiny market in Australia. They really don't. WE have a lot of pride in Holden because, to us, it really was "Australia's Own Car". Sentimentality aside, no one in GM North America gives a sh#t about Holden. South Africa lost GM because they pulled the pin. The same thing will happen here next year, for sure. The Holden brand will either be retired or sold to an importer. There's not really much in the way of product coming from GM's current factories that people seem to like here.
     

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